Sigh... VA isn't even known for doing these things

"nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul" (nfamouscj)
07/10/2016 at 22:31 • Filed to: None

Not to get political but we had 8 or so “#BlackOut____Street” I’m 100% for peaceful protest. Hey, it’s your right. Rent is too damn high, milk costs too much, Winter days don’t last long enough. But when things get more serious and you have a serious topic to discuss... dont do this . Why? Because everyone will totally ignore your cause and focus on your disruption instead. But some people don’t understand that.

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DISCUSSION (45)

Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
07/10/2016 at 22:38

Yep 100%. Act like a douchebag and shut down freeways. That’s a great way to get everyone to hate your cause.

DipodomysDeserti > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
07/10/2016 at 22:40

Not to be political, because the shooting of unarmed people has nothing to do with politics, but people said the same exact same thing to these guys. And they aren’t protesting the cost of milk...

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People have been ignoring what they’ve been saying for the last 600 years, hence the disruption. If there’s one thing that gets American’s attention, it’s getting in their way while they try to shop on Sunday.

Slant6 > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
07/10/2016 at 22:43

Too bad there’s nothing you can do about it since that would be a violation of their constitutional rights.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > DipodomysDeserti
07/10/2016 at 22:44

I cant tell what they’re blocking though. Is it a generic road way or one of two highways that has access to a local hospital. The standstill traffic was miles back. Points were made but if first responders cant get access to said hospital in the and/or need to take a 20 minute detour in the event of an emergency because individuals are making a point their values need to be questioned.

DipodomysDeserti > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes
07/10/2016 at 22:45

People have been hating their cause for the last 600 years. What was the excuse back then?

DipodomysDeserti > Slant6
07/10/2016 at 22:46

That pesky constitution, always getting in the way. Although it allowed blacks to be enslaved for about a century.

Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes > DipodomysDeserti
07/10/2016 at 22:47

Uhm, no. Not at all. None of this shit was happening until the last decade when somebody started stirring up a bunch of shit.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Slant6
07/10/2016 at 22:47

Brings up the curiosity of peaceful protest and breaking the law. Pretty sure everyone here agrees Westboro Baptist is scum of the earth yes? So when they go to someones funeral to protest because they were gay, firefighter, police, military, etc... they get their own sectioned off and protected area. Because given their constitutional right they’re allowed to. Last I heard major highways dont fall under protected areas to protested - Primarily because of safety and inability for first responders to travel.

Birddog > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
07/10/2016 at 22:47

Civil disruption doesn’t do jack for “the Cause”.

All it does is make other people angry against “the Cause”.

DipodomysDeserti > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
07/10/2016 at 22:48

If a hospital is blocked I don’t think their values need to be questioned, but definitely their planning. I think the civil engineers who set up your city should have their values questioned if blocking one street cuts off access to the only hospital in town. Bullshit arguments are easily dissembles by people with half a brain.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Birddog
07/10/2016 at 22:49

Thats exactly it. Because what’s everyone going to be talking about? Their cause or their actions/disruptions?

Slant6 > DipodomysDeserti
07/10/2016 at 22:50

The great thing about it is that it can be changed. One of my favorite parts of Dragnet was when Friday would go and give kids the whole “if you don’t like a law, write your senator and have it changed, we live in America and if a law is unjust or unfair we can change it”.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > DipodomysDeserti
07/10/2016 at 22:56

We live in a city full of rivers and bridges. It’s also a particularly old city. I can understand you’re taking the topic personally so I’ll avoid commenting further to provide any further discourse.

wafflesnfalafel > DipodomysDeserti
07/10/2016 at 22:56

Your post here is proof the method works. Sorry to break it to you...

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > DipodomysDeserti
07/10/2016 at 23:19

Blocking an interstate means you deserve to get your ass ran over. They block the Dan ryan all the God damn time. I get blocking local streets to protest but not a God damn 8 lane interstate. Thats just asking for a Deathrace 2000 points system. 100 points for millennial, 50 for the elderly. And an extra 25 if you knock them right out of their shoes.

Yes you have the right to peaceful protest but considering most if not all highways have laws against non motor traffic you’re breaking the law in doing so

Busslayer > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
07/10/2016 at 23:36

“ I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.”

MLK. Letter from Birmingham jail.

http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/L…

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Busslayer
07/10/2016 at 23:57

“Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.”

I legitimately can’t accept that. While I accept the validity of the letter and the statement on the whole I see that statement as a decree that the movement would rather have someone at 100% against as opposed to 50% with. Granted that’s only an interpretation and open to rebuttals but I’d much rather stand by someone who understands but doesn’t necessarily agree with me as opposed to someone 100% against me.

And I’ll be honest that takes a lot to say especially where such a notion is coming from, who said it, how I’ve interpreted it but am totally open to rebuttals and count interpretations.

Mercedes Streeter > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
07/11/2016 at 00:34

Federally speaking, WBC is labelled as a hate group nowadays.They were stripped of their church label as it’s been made very clear that they aren’t a church. Unfortunately, once you cross that line, your 1st Amendment rights become a whole lot less important.

Mercedes Streeter > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes
07/11/2016 at 00:36

None of what shit? People of color have been mistreated ever since the dawn of this nation. But now we decide enough is enough and everyone loses their minds.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Mercedes Streeter
07/11/2016 at 00:43

So does that mean should a group from their organization show up to protest, anti protestors could remove their banners, signs, etc?

Because if so that would be amazing. A shouting lunatic with a sign is one thing but a shouting lunatic without a sign is another.

Mercedes Streeter > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
07/11/2016 at 00:49

It depends on where you stand in the world. As for myself, I’m not only a person of colour, but also a trans woman...per how things work in the USA, I’m a “member” of a population that is among the most discriminated and hated in the country.

Every time I leave my home, it’s a roll of the dice if I get to return. And worse, with the poor law enforcement training in this country, there’s no guarantee of rescue if I so need it. I have to fear the things “normal” people never have to think twice about...and it’s all because so many people have hearts filled to the brim with hate.

So when I see someone (like a politician) “half-assing” their support, it really does hurt. Because only partially caring might as well be not caring at all. Lukewarm acceptance is what brought us “separate, but equal”. It’s basically “well fine, I’ll do this teeny tiny little thing for you...happy now?” rather than actually solving the actual problem.

Mercedes Streeter > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
07/11/2016 at 01:01

Depends. Protesting is fine, protesting is great! Protesting is your country-given right under the 1st.

However, the 1st doesn’t really cover hate speech, and hate speech is what WBC specializes in. For example: WBC regularly praises and enables the shootings of people they don’t like. They literally praised the Sandy Hook shooter for murdering children.

Stuff like that should not be protected under free speech as it incites and encourages harm of others. And unfortunately, they regularly bring their hate speech to protests.

So while their protests aren’t inherently the problem, the messages they try to deliver are.

Thankfully, BLM tries to stay mostly peaceful. Not sure I’d say closing down an Interstate is a good idea at all, but at least they try to keep themselves civil. :)

Mercedes Streeter > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
07/11/2016 at 01:19

IMO - Neither.

People have such short memories that as soon as the next shooting or whatever happens (which statistically, should only take a couple weeks), they instantly forget whatever they were previously raging about and rage about the new thing.

DipodomysDeserti > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes
07/11/2016 at 11:16

It truly amazes me how out of the loop some people are. Until the last decade? Were you alive during the LA riots? What do you think the root cause of those were? The price of milk?

DipodomysDeserti > Slant6
07/11/2016 at 11:21

The issue isn’t the laws. The issue is the application of the laws. Even during the ‘60s, segregation had already been declared illegal, yet it still happened in the South. It’s already illegal to shoot unarmed people and apply existing law unfairly towards different races/ethnic groups. Real life is much more complicated than a TV show.

And even if specific laws were the issue, protest is one way to change laws. Civil disobedience is an even more effective way to change laws. It seems that people forget how MLK was described by many people (who we now label racist) as a rabble rouser because he staged sit-ins and blocked streets with protests. It wasn’t until people like Malcolm X came along, saying an armed struggle was needed to secure rights, that people realized MLK was actually employing the most peaceful method possible.

DipodomysDeserti > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
07/11/2016 at 11:26

I think more discourse is what we need. I’m not taking anything you say personally, and I don’t think either of us have been discussing the topic in a disrespectful manner. Bad things happen when people stop talking about issues. When people allow civil discourse to occur and both parties stay open minded, it allows positive change to occur. When those avenues break down, civility breaks down.

I can totally understand how having your cities streets blocked can cause frustration with the people blocking them. On the other hand, I have sympathy with the people blocking them, as it seems that they’re running out of options with which to be treated as equals in our society, particularly in the eyes of law enforcement. I’m a white male, so I would definitely not feel comfortable instructing someone how to organize their protest which aims to raise awareness of issues pertaining to the African American community; however, I would definitely hope they take certain precautions when organizing an event (such as not blocking things like hospitals).

DipodomysDeserti > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
07/11/2016 at 11:30

Maybe we should just spray them with firehouses instead? Also, German Shepherds do a good job at clearing people out of roadways. Although I think George Wallace would probably like your strategy more.

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Slant6 > DipodomysDeserti
07/11/2016 at 12:03

The thing with the ideal MLK style peaceful protests I’d if they wirked we wouldn’t have these problems today.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > DipodomysDeserti
07/11/2016 at 12:29

People do not belong on expressways. You want to protest do it on surface streets. By going out on expressways you’re just asking to go hurt. No where in the Constitution does it say you are allowed to break trespassing laws while protesting

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Slant6
07/11/2016 at 12:31

Unless you are still breaking the law while protesting. The first amendment is not a get out of jail free card that allows you to break laws as they see fit

Slant6 > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
07/11/2016 at 12:56

You’re right, they are still breaking the law. Tresspassing, disturbing of the peace, petty charges that won’t stop them doing it again.

DipodomysDeserti > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
07/11/2016 at 13:48

No where [sic] in the Constitution does it say you are allowed to break trespassing laws while protesting

You are correct. And that is the same argument given by these nice gentlemen. You’re in good company! The more times change, the more they stay the same.

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DipodomysDeserti > Slant6
07/11/2016 at 13:55

The thing with the ideal MLK style peaceful protests I’d [sic] if they wirked [sic] we wouldn’t have these problems today.

Are you saying the Civil Rights Movement of the ‘60s was a complete failure? We no longer have state supported segregation in the South, and we don’t have black churches being bombed on monthly basis. Lynchings also aren’t commonplace anymore. It’s definitely not “mission accomplished”, but MLK (who actually was following Gandhi’s lead) showed that it can be successful.

The problem is we still have racists in our society, and it’s impossible to change someone’s mind when their thinking is based on illogical premises.

Slant6 > DipodomysDeserti
07/11/2016 at 13:57

In no way was it a complete failure, it was a great leap forward for everybody, but when people start writing this off as a non issue something needs to speak up and tell them that it is. So many people deny that our society is racist.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > DipodomysDeserti
07/11/2016 at 14:35

Nowhere did I say I’m for keeping black people down. I don’t know why the hell you keep posting pictures of it. I’m simply stating people don’t belong on freeways unless they are using a motor vehicle. For their safety and everyone else’s. If they want to exercise their right to peaceful protest that’s all fine and dandy but breaking laws is not being peaceful

DipodomysDeserti > Slant6
07/11/2016 at 14:37

when people start writing this off as a non issue something needs to speak up and tell them that it is. So many people deny that our society is racist.

So you’re saying that since lots of people don’t think there’s an issue, it means there isn’t an issue? That’s the same thing a majority of white Southerners were saying back in the ‘60s. Their whole argument was that segregation wasn’t a problem, and that since most of them felt that way it should be allowed to exist.

Slant6 > DipodomysDeserti
07/11/2016 at 14:41

That’s not what I’m saying at all. How did you get to that?

I’m saying since lots of people don’t think it’s an issue that makes these protests legitimate and necessary.

DipodomysDeserti > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
07/11/2016 at 14:47

If they want to exercise their right to peaceful protest that’s all fine and dandy but breaking laws is not being peaceful

This is the exact argument made against MLK back in the day and it’s an absurd one. There is nothing inherently violent about breaking laws. The protesters in the first photo I posted were breaking several laws by sitting at white cafe counters, but they were not being violent. Rosa Parks was breaking the law when she rode at the front of the bus and refused to give up her seat, yet she was being peaceful. I’ll probably drive 5-10 mph over the speed limit on my way to lunch today, and it would be absurd to call that a violent act. And to be clear, you actually called for violence in your first comment when you said:

Blocking an interstate means you deserve to get your ass ran over.

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Nowhere did I say I’m for keeping black people down.

I never said you want to hold black people down. I’m pointing out that the arguments you’re making against the use of civil disobedience are the exact arguments made by white supremacists in the South during the Civil Rights Era. This doesn’t mean you’re racist, I’m just pointing out the parallel arguments.

DipodomysDeserti > Slant6
07/11/2016 at 14:48

Gotcha, I wasn’t quite sure what you were saying which is why I tried to clarify. I should have waited for a clarification before responding.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > DipodomysDeserti
07/11/2016 at 15:26

I support running people down no matter what color their skin is. A bunch of white people wanna go shut down a highway in protest or in one of those stupid ass sideshow they deserve any injuries that happen to them as they had no business being out there trying to stop traffic. Highways are for motor vehicles. Not pedestrians

DipodomysDeserti > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
07/11/2016 at 15:41

I support running people down no matter what color their skin is.

First you chastise the protesters because you say blocking the street is violent, then you say it is ok to kill people with your car who are in the street. There’s really no point conversing with someone participating in these sorts of mental gymnastics. Have a nice day, and please steer clear of any marathons or bike races.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > DipodomysDeserti
07/11/2016 at 15:44

If the event is sanctioned on the roadway fine. But do you honestly believe anyone has the right to shut down a highways just because they feel like it?

DipodomysDeserti > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
07/11/2016 at 16:18

If the event is sanctioned on the roadway fine.

Roadways can’t sanction anything, they’re made of asphalt and concrete.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > DipodomysDeserti
07/11/2016 at 20:56

No but the city or town can sanction the event and block off streets specifically for it.

DipodomysDeserti > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
07/11/2016 at 21:01

So the only issue you have has to do with permits. What a weird thing to feel justified running people over for.